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Most of us have some hesitations whenever we write or speak in english. it's not the spelling nor the way you pronounce it that sucks BUT what sucks is sometimes we are having a hard time putting it to proper use. I myself had personal experience and I mean worst experience. minsan I was using this word in a given sentence or phrase only to find out na sobrang wrong grammar which to others ay nakaka off.    minsan may date ako na sobrang ganda...then i heard her friend telling my date na "sayang gwapo na sana...wrong grammar lang" OUCH! diba? so yeah, from that day on medyo naging sensitive nako sa mga words or phrases na lumalabas sa mouth ko... i hope this thread can be considered as a tool sa mga ka aps members natin as we debate what is the proper or correct word or phrase sa pag gamit sa sentence. 

 

feel free to add the dilemma na pwede natin pag debatan dito kung ano dapat gamitin natin . cite din tayo ng mga books or internet sites para mas maging confident tayo na yun ang tamang grammar. 

 

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                         WE SERVE BEER AS COLD AS YOUR EX'S HEART         OR        WE SERVE BEER AS COLD AS YOUR EX-HEART ???? ????

 

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one time nasa isang bar resto together with my friends... we saw the sign saying "we serve beer as cold as your ex - heart". nagyabang yung isang tropa ko sabi pare ano mali diyan sa signage nila? sabi ko...wala naman mali diyan.. sabi nung isa ko tropa meron pre..dapat EX's heart... napaisip ako ano nga ba tama? ex's heart or ex-heart....    let the debate begin. mahabang habang inuman toh lol!  :crazybanghead02:

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"Ex" is a noun that means someone you are no ​longer ​married to or a person who was ​their ​wife, ​husband, or ​partner in the past. But since the sentence pertains to a part of ex (the heart) so ex's heart is the correct grammar.. "We serve beer as cold as your ex-wife/ex-husband/ex gf" would be the correct grammar if the beer is being compared to the person and not a part of that person.

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@miggy : sir we share the same view. My father also. Sabi niya it depends kung ano ang usage it can be ex girlfriend's heart as a possessive noun or if it can also be ex-heart as a noun itself. Thanks sir miggy. Glad we share the same view :)

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Bear With Me or Bare With Me: What’s the Difference?

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English homophones are one of the most confusing parts of the language. There are hundreds of them; they all sound the same; and their spellings generally aren’t that different either.

Such is the case with today’s words: bear vs. bare. Not only do these words by themselves confuse writers, but they are also found in many different English phrases, which further leaves writers unsure of which word to use.

Lage ito ginagamit sa taong nakikiusap na pakinggan siya.. Pero alin ba ang tama "please bare with me" or "please bear with me".

May prof ako dati na babae super pretty and sexy. German prof namin sa Philo.. Lage niya sinasabi na "please bear/bare with me". Minsan natatawa ako dahil sa madumi utak ko. Iba kasi naiimagine ko. Sablay nanaman. :))

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Can you please come in or can you please come into?

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How will you invite a person or command a person to enter to your house or office? Which is the correct grammar?

"can you please come in my office?"

I made some readings over the net.. One site said

it is wrong, because it sound like an erotic invite and the correct sentence is "Can you please come to/into my office?" Is it correct? Quite misleading...

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Ex's heart? Dahil possessive noun siya? Kasing lamig ng puso ng ex mo. Much like This_Is_The_End's little wiener. Feel free to correct me. I don't Grammar 101 lel :)

 

Nung sa dati kong work maingat ako sa grammar dahil madalas kong kausap mga counterpart ko sa ibang bansa, madalas din akong mag-send ng mga e-mail sa team and most of the upper management people are a$$hats pagdating sa grammar. They won't let you live it down kapag nahanapan ka ng butas. Ngayon, eh, eff it, kung ano 'yung unang pumasok sa isip ko or kung ano 'yung magandang pakinggan :|

 

Filipinos can be a total douche when it comes to English grammar but surprisingly lax pagdating sa Filipino (e.g. when to use rin or din, ng or nang, etc.) and our code switching is at times really crazy. 

 

Isa sa mga na nahihirapan ako is when to use a semi-colon. I've already Googled it a couple of times but always forget when to properly use it.

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@this is the end: bro pareho tayo ni sir miggy ng point of view hehe mukhang nasa usage talaga noh? So walang Mali dun sa nakita namin right? Haha apir.. Oo sinabi mo pa minsan kung ano ang tama na grammar yun PA ang pangit pakinggan sa ears hehe pero honestly like my old man always say.. Kapag in doubt ka kung ano tama grammar.. Listen with your ears and yun daw ang tama haha... Which to my mind is correct. Lol like using the phrase... DID YOU Saw? Meaning nakita mo ba? Panget pakinggan so ang accepted is DID YOU See. Kasi pag ginamit mo daw yung did you saw eh.. Parang sa tagalog nilagare mo ba pre? Haha anyway oo nga napansin ko din/rin sa tagalog ang dami din loopholes haha minsan alangan ako ano ba tama pronunciation.. Like "madumi" sa marumi.. Or "madami" sa marami.

With regard sa semi colon.. Ang pagkakaalam ko Lalo na sa essay writing yung semi colon is nilalagay yan to separate words or phrases with the same thought.. Mostly ginamit ko yun when I am enumerating sa essay writing eh.. Parang

The following are the characteristics of a good person:

1. Humble ; semi colon

2. Thoughtful ;

3. Patient ;

So since yung discuss mo sa enumeration is all about the character of a good person in a way segregate mo sila pero related parin sila with one another.

Yun ang alam ko.. Correct me nalang if I am wrong.. Haha

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Ok ... there was once an incident in Facebook wherein someone posted this: "English is a Language... not a measure of Intelligence". Eh badtrip ako during that time kaya inaway ko. nyahaha :D

I posted a comment saying...

... So parang sinabi nyo na Sir na yung palpak mag-English eh pwedeng matalino in real life or vice-versa?

Let me enlighten you a bit about this.

The English Language was part of the primary and secondary curiculum here in the Philippines. So... every Filipino student was in fact studying it for 6 years in elementary and 4 years (dati) in High School. Plus pa kung nag Kindergarten and College. If you've gone through all of that Education and graduated ... it should be fair enough that people will expect you to have a grammar fitting for a High School Grad.

So... kung palpak ka pa din when it comes to grammar ... then please choose 1 reason why:

1) Palagi kang absent

2) Kung always present ka ... malamang palagi kang tulog sa klase

3) Hindi / Ayaw mong intindihin yung turo ng teacher mo

4) Nagbayad lang ang mga magulang mo kaya ka naka-graduate

5) Gumawa ka lang ng "Special Project" kaya ka naka-graduate.

6 )  War Freak yung mga parents mo kaya natakot yung School.

9) Gumamit ka ng Padrino like Mayor. Senator or Governor.

If all of the aforementioned were not applicable and not your style then ...

10) Talagang slow ka kaya until now shunga ka pa din mag-English.

 

In a span of 10 plus years of studying the subject without learning it... masasabi mo ba na matalino yun?

Now tell me...

 

(end of comment)

Har har har :D

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@vhinno : pre may point ka. Honestly nung pumasok ako grade school sa u.s dami kano na Bobo sa English Hahaha sablay grammar..pero pag nag salita napa ka fluent.. Mas magaling PA nga mga chinoy dun at Vietnamese... Anyway nung nag work ako sa Bay area sa isang law firm dun.. First time ko sa work langya tinuruan ako ng boss ko na gumamit ng ms excel.. Sabay sinabi sakin.. "so Ricky are you getting the hang of it?" sabi ko sa isip ko anong hang hang pinagsasabi netoh... Sabi ko nalang yes mam. Haha another incident thurs morning yata yun pasok ko nun sa same law office eh kano yung boss ko eh.. Syempre Pampa good shot nag greet ako sabi ko with a high pitch PA "good morning MOM"! tapos sabi sa akin ng boss ko..." Ricky boy" I'm not your Mom!!! Grabe medyo nag taka ako so pag uwi ko nun I asked my sister.. Then my sister told me Mali daw pronunciation ng mam ko.. Hindi mom... Dapat daw Mehm.. Slang daw.. So kinabukasn ganun ginawa ko sabi ko sa boss ko goodmrning MEEEEEEEHHHM!!!! sabi sa akin ng boss ko goodmrning Ricky.. Langya kaya minsan Hindi ko alam kung ano standard sa u.s when it comes to pronunciation.. Sa ibang bansa pag Punta mo sa London naku same shit din.. May Punto din sila.. Parang pinas... Kanya kanya ng puno ang diwa.. Mga taga Texas alam na alam ang Punto nila haha

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 Kanya kanya ng puno ang diwa.. Mga taga Texas alam na alam ang Punto nila haha

 

New England or Bostonian accent is quite funny. I don't mean that in a negative way. Just think Peter Griffin from the Family Guy but less exaggerated.

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@this is the end : oo pre yung taga Boston pati.. Haha mga English men haha natatawa ako kapag lage nila sinasabi "are you really?" may accent sa Huli yung parang ibang tone. Si Rihanna ibang accent din niya eh.

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Saltek pala yung pag-edit ko nung number 6 kasi naging smiley like this 8) ... na drag yung 7 & 8 hehe. 7) Gumamit ka ng gayuma and 8 ) Nagmakaawa ka to the max at idinahilan mo yung magulang mong maysakit.
Sir @Ka-el meron talagang mga ganung tao kaya dapat careful tayo to avoid being corrected. Pwede naman natin i-check yung grammar before hitting the post button.

Sir @Patrick dito din naman sa atin madami ding Filipino na medyo sablay sa ating native language eh. I remember one time when I was in Bulacan ... meron doon nagmagaling na nagsabi na hindi daw kaming taga-Laguna yung totoong mga "Tagalog" kung hindi sila. So I tested him ... tinanong ko sya kung ano ang Tagalog ng "Kuryente". Tawa pa sya at sinabing Tagalog na daw yun. Sabi ko hindi kasi iyon ay hango sa salitang Kastila ... kaya tinanong ko sya the 2nd time kung ano talaga. Hindi nakakibo si Mr. Right. nyahahaha. So ... for the sake of not prolonging his agony ... I told him. "Manong ang tagalog po ng kuryente ay DAGITAB. Sabay talikod. :D

Well phoenetics & pronunciation isn't a big deal to me as long as I can understand what the other party was saying. Wag lang talaga yung mga super-duper slang na halos kinakain na yung ibang intonation to the extent beyond comprehension just like Freddy Roach. Minsan nga natatawa ako dun sa mga nagmamagaling when they hear the so called "Bisaya" wherein medyo matigas yung "e" tsaka "o". If you would listen to a song by Skeeter Davis entitled "The end of the world" ... talagang sablay kasi yung end naging ind. Nonetheless ... when it was released in 1962 it gained worldwide success. :D

Sa accent naman paborito ko was Brooklyn accent ... mala Bugs Bunny baga! hehehe. Yung Idol ni Sir @Patrick sa Ancient Aliens na si Giorgio Tsoukalos malupet din accent nun. He was born in Switzerland and become a Greek-Austrian writer. Imagine that! Kaya medyo weird yung dating nung punto nya eh. Nordic-European na may sundot na Fred Astaire at the side. nyahahaha :D

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@vinno: from galaguns ka din Pala sir.. Eh sa Belair ako haha.. Oo nga may mga classmates ako dati Laguna din hehe kaaway nya yung isang classmate namin taga meycauayan bulacan haha sabi kasi ng taga bulacan wala daw sila tono dahil pure tagalog sila hahah pinahiya ng classmate ko na from Laguna hehe..ayun taob.

Anyway, Brooklyn? Teka diko pa narinig may accent din Pala sila?

Yung sa mga foreigners naman may client kami I'm not sure kung British or what pero sobrang Hirap ako intindihn yung mga sinasabi niya kasi kinakaen mga salita niya...iba accent.. Bloody bloody pa sinasabi.

Eh eto anong province yung lage may tono sa Huli "nakaen kana ba iho?" ahaha solid yun nung narinig ko yun. Ang sagwa akala ko kakainin ako ng matanda eh.

Oo nga si Idol ko from ancient aliens hehe sobrang ibang accent din niya I didn't know na di Pala siya American. Teka siya ba yung binalita na host na namatay? Sana Hindi naman. Malaking kawalan yun sa ancient aliens.

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Eastcoast accent noh.. Never been there though mga rappers alam ko mga bone thugs taga Brooklyn.. Pati sa limp bizkit diba si fred durst.. Search ko nga sa youtube na curious ako tuloy accent nila.

Meron pa yung mga from new Zealand haha iba din accent haha

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Sir @Patrick dito din naman sa atin madami ding Filipino na medyo sablay sa ating native language eh. I remember one time when I was in Bulacan ... meron doon nagmagaling na nagsabi na hindi daw kaming taga-Laguna yung totoong mga "Tagalog" kung hindi sila. So I tested him ... tinanong ko sya kung ano ang Tagalog ng "Kuryente". Tawa pa sya at sinabing Tagalog na daw yun. Sabi ko hindi kasi iyon ay hango sa salitang Kastila ... kaya tinanong ko sya the 2nd time kung ano talaga. Hindi nakakibo si Mr. Right. nyahahaha. So ... for the sake of not prolonging his agony ... I told him. "Manong ang tagalog po ng kuryente ay DAGITAB. Sabay talikod. :D

 

Yup dahil marami tayong malalim na salita or matandang tagalog kumbaga kaya super code switching tayong mga Filipino which is usually the case with bilingual or multilingual countries. We'll start talking in Filipino then somewhere in the middle English bigla then balik Filipino or some other words borrowed from other countries without thinking about it. Second nature na sa atin. For some foreigners it's quite jarring.

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Mga bros hahah astig ngayon ko lang na realized narinig ko na Brooklyn accent shoot sa godfather hahah stupid ko sina Don barzini and the gang pati si the rest in peace the Don haha nice one taga Brooklyn Pala mga yun ngyon ko lang natandaan may accent Pala sila. Brooklyn style haha "eh yoh mikee bring me the canola will yah." lol

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@this is the end: how about salita ng atin mga kapatd from zamboanga solid man na in love ako sa chavacano language and their accent. Parang foreigners pag mag salita. Astig. May nakainuman ako from zamboanga solid nagsalita siya ng chavacano nag ka goose bumps ako sa ka astigan. Spanish style ang Labanan.

Note : mod sir miggy sorry if I had to make a subsequent post hehe medyo exciting lang kasi usapan dito sa thread lol promise Hindi ako nag sspam :) peace

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Ala na akong balita dun sa host brader ... 3 days na lang kasi ako OL palagi eh. From Wednesday till Saturday na lang kaya limitado na pag lagalag sa www. Tapos ayaw pa umalis nung pagong na nasa loob nung broadband stick ko. Kainis! :D

Para sa akin ang mahirap talaga na intindihin na slang eh yung mga Armenian tsaka Taiwanese. Specially pag galit! Kasi nung nasa isang maliit na call center company pa ako ... pag ganun yung client pinapasa namin sa mga Ace Coaches. hehehe :D
 
Parusa nga sa mga foreigners yung "Taglish" natin Sir @This_Is_The_End ... lalo na pag unfamiliar sila on both languages. hehehe :D

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@vinno: Haha ipasa talaga? Bawal yun diba? Haha joke. Di padin ako nakaranig nun pero judging palang alam na malabo maintindihan language nila pag nagsalita na sila nun. Lol.. Rumors lang naman haha baka mga galit sa ancient aliens mga nagdedebunk sa series pinatay si Idol ko lol

@this is the end: hahah okay lang bro Hindi naman tayo off topic eh about grammar padn naman tayo so okay lang yan. Haha sige antay ko yung contribution mo sa thread haha expect ko malupit yan haha ang imprtant is nakaka pulot tayo aral dito sa thread hehe akalain mo nga naman na Hindi ako aware na accent Brooklyn Pala yung nasa godfather lol nice. Thanks @this is the end and @vinno :))

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Yeah Chavacano is really cool. Ang lakas ng influence ng Spanish. I haven't met anyone personally although according to my mother may mga malayo kaming kamag-anak na Chavacano ang salita.

 

Ang alam ko si John Estrada, 'yung artista, Chavacano ang regional dialect niya. I'm not sure kung nagamit niya 'yun para mabingwit si Priscilla Mereilles :D

 

Edit: Wait, si Priscilla Brazilian nga pala so Portuguese salita niya. Don't know how close to Spanish 'yung Portuguese.

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Ea bro, na meet ko na in person si John estrada sa isang event. Parang hindi ko pansin yung accent niya haha

I'm not sure kung related sila pero almost the same din ang tone nila eh noh

Oo bro chavacano talaga parang pure Spanish kung marinig mo sila.. Astig nakaka in love naku kung wala lang ako fiancé eh pinatos ko na yung friend ko na yun. She's so charming.. Naalala ko nun medyo tipsy PA siya while she was singing the song porque haha eto yung link

hxxps://youtu.be/39P-isAX1Co

Not: I'm on mobile kaya Hindi ko magamit yung enclosed function sa mga live links kaya yun. Pls bear with me. Thanks in advance.

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